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	<title>Comments on: Coolest New Box: Sun Fire X4500</title>
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		<title>By: Robin Harris</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2006/07/12/coolest-new-box-sun-fire-x4500/comment-page-1/#comment-3548</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I talked to Bill Moore of the ZFS group and he pointed out that iSCSI support is in OpenSolaris right &lt;a href=http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/cmd/iscsi/iscsitgtd/ target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Check it out.

The iSCSI support should be improving over time - including a backport to S10U3 - but there is no need to wait to start playing with it and seeing what it can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I talked to Bill Moore of the ZFS group and he pointed out that iSCSI support is in OpenSolaris right <a href=http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/cmd/iscsi/iscsitgtd/ target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  Check it out.</p>
<p>The iSCSI support should be improving over time - including a backport to S10U3 - but there is no need to wait to start playing with it and seeing what it can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Harris</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2006/07/12/coolest-new-box-sun-fire-x4500/comment-page-1/#comment-3498</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

As a veteran of both DEC and Sun I know whereof you speak. IMHO, a catagory busting product like the X4500 requires articulating a vision that customers can relate to. Sadly, the X4500 doesn't fit in any of Sun's current organizational buckets: it is OpenSolaris + Server + Storage = a new deployment/architectural paradigm. ZFS has the same, cough, opportunity.

I know Anil Gadre and Andy Ingram and they are both smart marketing guys good at identifying savvy ideas when they see them. So I have to believe that they aren't seeing any good ideas for a) re-inventing Sun, b) marketing the X4500, and c) marketing ZFS.

Plus there is the problem of spending several billion for StorageTek, a quintessential mainframe company. So laying out a compelling new vision - as the circa 1985 Sun would have delighted in - is complicated by this expensive albatross. I recognize that STK's sales force has helped Sun's storage results, yet it also defines the company's approach to storage for some time to come. Which is another reason it is vital that the X4500 not be given to Sun's Network Storage group - the Mos Eiseley of storage marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>As a veteran of both DEC and Sun I know whereof you speak. IMHO, a catagory busting product like the X4500 requires articulating a vision that customers can relate to. Sadly, the X4500 doesn&#8217;t fit in any of Sun&#8217;s current organizational buckets: it is OpenSolaris + Server + Storage = a new deployment/architectural paradigm. ZFS has the same, cough, opportunity.</p>
<p>I know Anil Gadre and Andy Ingram and they are both smart marketing guys good at identifying savvy ideas when they see them. So I have to believe that they aren&#8217;t seeing any good ideas for a) re-inventing Sun, b) marketing the X4500, and c) marketing ZFS.</p>
<p>Plus there is the problem of spending several billion for StorageTek, a quintessential mainframe company. So laying out a compelling new vision - as the circa 1985 Sun would have delighted in - is complicated by this expensive albatross. I recognize that STK&#8217;s sales force has helped Sun&#8217;s storage results, yet it also defines the company&#8217;s approach to storage for some time to come. Which is another reason it is vital that the X4500 not be given to Sun&#8217;s Network Storage group - the Mos Eiseley of storage marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pearson</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2006/07/12/coolest-new-box-sun-fire-x4500/comment-page-1/#comment-3491</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"How can you engineer a product like this and then not know what to do with it?"

Simple. If you are infected with the DEC (Digital Equipment Corp.) virus. This virus later spread to Compaq and Sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How can you engineer a product like this and then not know what to do with it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Simple. If you are infected with the DEC (Digital Equipment Corp.) virus. This virus later spread to Compaq and Sun.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Stay</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2006/07/12/coolest-new-box-sun-fire-x4500/comment-page-1/#comment-3474</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Stay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 02:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?!? WHAT!?!?!

"The iSCSI target is already in OpenSolaris."

Apologies in advance for resorting to teen 'doodism' but OMFG!

As stated in the original post - do NOT let the storage idiots get their hands on this.  How can you engineer a product like this and then not know what to do with it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?!? WHAT!?!?!</p>
<p>&#8220;The iSCSI target is already in OpenSolaris.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apologies in advance for resorting to teen &#8216;doodism&#8217; but OMFG!</p>
<p>As stated in the original post - do NOT let the storage idiots get their hands on this.  How can you engineer a product like this and then not know what to do with it?</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Felter</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2006/07/12/coolest-new-box-sun-fire-x4500/comment-page-1/#comment-3383</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes Felter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The iSCSI target is already in OpenSolaris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The iSCSI target is already in OpenSolaris.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Harris</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2006/07/12/coolest-new-box-sun-fire-x4500/comment-page-1/#comment-3337</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good chance, Carl. Back in February Bill Moore of the ZFS team wrote:

On 2/24/06, Bill Moore &lt;Bill.Moore at sun.com&gt; wrote:
&gt; Target mode support is
&gt; coming; sooner rather than later.

Enquiring minds want to know: WHEN?? I've asked and will share what I learn - if anything - here at StorageMojo.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good chance, Carl. Back in February Bill Moore of the ZFS team wrote:</p>
<p>On 2/24/06, Bill Moore <bill .Moore at sun.com> wrote:<br />
> Target mode support is<br />
> coming; sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>Enquiring minds want to know: WHEN?? I&#8217;ve asked and will share what I learn - if anything - here at StorageMojo.com.</bill></p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2006/07/12/coolest-new-box-sun-fire-x4500/comment-page-1/#comment-3336</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any chance of them ever making it an iSCSI target?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any chance of them ever making it an iSCSI target?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Harris</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2006/07/12/coolest-new-box-sun-fire-x4500/comment-page-1/#comment-3311</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good catch, Chris. I've changed the text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good catch, Chris. I&#8217;ve changed the text.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2006/07/12/coolest-new-box-sun-fire-x4500/comment-page-1/#comment-3305</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"And at less than $2 per TB" - $2 per GB, I think you mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And at less than $2 per TB&#8221; - $2 per GB, I think you mean.</p>
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