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	<title>Comments on: Lost In Space: Man&#8217;s First Step On the Moon</title>
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	<description>Data storage info &#38; analysis</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jones</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/02/lost-in-space-mans-first-step-on-the-moon/#comment-28019</link>
		<dc:creator>jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magda - you're an idiot with the conspiro crap
if it was a hoax, how come we can bounce a laser off the reflecting mirrors?
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/


but LOCKSS rules!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magda - you&#8217;re an idiot with the conspiro crap<br />
if it was a hoax, how come we can bounce a laser off the reflecting mirrors?<br />
<a href="http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/" rel="nofollow">http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/</a></p>
<p>but LOCKSS rules!</p>
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		<title>By: David Magda</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/02/lost-in-space-mans-first-step-on-the-moon/#comment-20771</link>
		<dc:creator>David Magda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 04:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don't think the storage back-end currently supports replication by default, there is at least one major project looking into it:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#38;q=%22china+digital+museum%22

There are some other projects working on replication and federation as well, but I'm not following the DSpace project too closely so I can't really say for sure--I just thought you might be interested. Here's a general overview:

http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/2160/281/11/Federating+DSpace.pdf

From what I can gather the primary objective of DSpace is being able to find and access objects. Though I don't think there's anything stopping the architecture from supporting a replication scheme in its storage model.

http://www.google.com/search?q=dspace+srb

The Handle system also doesn't restrict what is returned when the handle is resolved, so if the object(s) is store in multiple locations (even in multiple formats) it would be possible to return multiple instanaces of "typed data" and the client can do whatever it wants:

http://www.handle.net/overviews/overview.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t think the storage back-end currently supports replication by default, there is at least one major project looking into it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=%22china+digital+museum%22" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=%22china+digital+museum%22</a></p>
<p>There are some other projects working on replication and federation as well, but I&#8217;m not following the DSpace project too closely so I can&#8217;t really say for sure&#8211;I just thought you might be interested. Here&#8217;s a general overview:</p>
<p><a href="http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/2160/281/11/Federating+DSpace.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/2160/281/11/Federating+DSpace.pdf</a></p>
<p>From what I can gather the primary objective of DSpace is being able to find and access objects. Though I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything stopping the architecture from supporting a replication scheme in its storage model.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=dspace+srb" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=dspace+srb</a></p>
<p>The Handle system also doesn&#8217;t restrict what is returned when the handle is resolved, so if the object(s) is store in multiple locations (even in multiple formats) it would be possible to return multiple instanaces of &#8220;typed data&#8221; and the client can do whatever it wants:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.handle.net/overviews/overview.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.handle.net/overviews/overview.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robin Harris</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/02/lost-in-space-mans-first-step-on-the-moon/#comment-20301</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheng,

The latest version of that rumor is in the Transformers movie trailer. woot!

David

Thanks for the tip on DSpace. I quickly scanned the DSpace website and FAQ the possibly faulty impression I got is that DSpace is a repository for preserving documents for a single organization, where LOCKSS is a strategy and software to ensure that documents are preserved against loss through multiple copies. Some overlap, but two different approaches. Another resource is the &lt;a href=http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/index.html target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;The National Digital Information Infrastructure and Preservation Program&lt;/a&gt; at the Library of Congress. 

se,

I agree that LOCKSS is really a solution for "completed" documents, not "work-in-process".  The whole versioning discussion is a very big can of worms that I will beg off opening now.

Miro,

The WaPo article suggested that since the moon landing was such a huge PR success, and there was no demand for better footage, that the original tapes were never reviewed, except, perhaps, by personnel at the tracking stations who knew of their existence. That feels about right to me, given that the "moon race" of the 1960s was a political tool and an engineering tour-de-force, not a science experiment.

PJ,

I wish you were correct. The WaPo article is dated January 31, 2007, while the Cosmos Magazine article is from November 2006.

A careful reading of the Cosmos link uncovers a number of qualifications. Yes they did find a number of "lost" NASA tapes - but none of them were the high-quality videos of the man's first steps on the moon. The Cosmos article states:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
The data are a daily record of the environmental conditions and changes taking place at the lunar site after the Eagle landed safely in the Sea of Tranquility. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Useful stuff, to be sure, but not the moonwalk videos. Same goes for the other links that a Google search finds: useful stuff; not the videos whose degraded image 600 million people watched that July day in 1969.

Wish you were right though!

Robin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheng,</p>
<p>The latest version of that rumor is in the Transformers movie trailer. woot!</p>
<p>David</p>
<p>Thanks for the tip on DSpace. I quickly scanned the DSpace website and FAQ the possibly faulty impression I got is that DSpace is a repository for preserving documents for a single organization, where LOCKSS is a strategy and software to ensure that documents are preserved against loss through multiple copies. Some overlap, but two different approaches. Another resource is the <a href=http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/index.html target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The National Digital Information Infrastructure and Preservation Program</a> at the Library of Congress. </p>
<p>se,</p>
<p>I agree that LOCKSS is really a solution for &#8220;completed&#8221; documents, not &#8220;work-in-process&#8221;.  The whole versioning discussion is a very big can of worms that I will beg off opening now.</p>
<p>Miro,</p>
<p>The WaPo article suggested that since the moon landing was such a huge PR success, and there was no demand for better footage, that the original tapes were never reviewed, except, perhaps, by personnel at the tracking stations who knew of their existence. That feels about right to me, given that the &#8220;moon race&#8221; of the 1960s was a political tool and an engineering tour-de-force, not a science experiment.</p>
<p>PJ,</p>
<p>I wish you were correct. The WaPo article is dated January 31, 2007, while the Cosmos Magazine article is from November 2006.</p>
<p>A careful reading of the Cosmos link uncovers a number of qualifications. Yes they did find a number of &#8220;lost&#8221; NASA tapes - but none of them were the high-quality videos of the man&#8217;s first steps on the moon. The Cosmos article states:</p>
<blockquote><p>
The data are a daily record of the environmental conditions and changes taking place at the lunar site after the Eagle landed safely in the Sea of Tranquility.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Useful stuff, to be sure, but not the moonwalk videos. Same goes for the other links that a Google search finds: useful stuff; not the videos whose degraded image 600 million people watched that July day in 1969.</p>
<p>Wish you were right though!</p>
<p>Robin</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops! Looks like they found data tapes, not the still-missing video that you were referring to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! Looks like they found data tapes, not the still-missing video that you were referring to.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/02/lost-in-space-mans-first-step-on-the-moon/#comment-20290</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, your info is out of date.  Check out http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/818 and also google for 'lost nasa tapes found' for more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, your info is out of date.  Check out <a href="http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/818" rel="nofollow">http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/818</a> and also google for &#8216;lost nasa tapes found&#8217; for more.</p>
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		<title>By: Miro</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/02/lost-in-space-mans-first-step-on-the-moon/#comment-20264</link>
		<dc:creator>Miro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can hardly believe that those tapes are lost. 

What, they didn't make any copies while they were studying the tapes after the mission - they worked with the originals? Right...

Lost for the public - probably. 

These tapes were most likely marked confidential/top secret with limited access to them.  To move them someone would have to sign a few forms here and there.

If there is no 'traces', 'somebody' took care of that - if you know what I mean.

What is the reason is other story - these tapes are priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can hardly believe that those tapes are lost. </p>
<p>What, they didn&#8217;t make any copies while they were studying the tapes after the mission - they worked with the originals? Right&#8230;</p>
<p>Lost for the public - probably. </p>
<p>These tapes were most likely marked confidential/top secret with limited access to them.  To move them someone would have to sign a few forms here and there.</p>
<p>If there is no &#8216;traces&#8217;, &#8217;somebody&#8217; took care of that - if you know what I mean.</p>
<p>What is the reason is other story - these tapes are priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: se</title>
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		<dc:creator>se</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not sure if LOCKS is the answer. I know for sure the hell of versioncontrol is imminent with this solution.
Updating several copies of a document is a lot of troublesome work. Only when your sure a document is in it's final stages LOCKS coulb be a option. But things like security, privacy and so on... no LOCKS for me..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not sure if LOCKS is the answer. I know for sure the hell of versioncontrol is imminent with this solution.<br />
Updating several copies of a document is a lot of troublesome work. Only when your sure a document is in it&#8217;s final stages LOCKS coulb be a option. But things like security, privacy and so on&#8230; no LOCKS for me..</p>
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		<title>By: Oracloid Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apollo 11 on the moon - tapes lost?</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/02/lost-in-space-mans-first-step-on-the-moon/#comment-19924</link>
		<dc:creator>Oracloid Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apollo 11 on the moon - tapes lost?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 03:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] While going through my Google Reader today I noticed this post on StorageMojo referencing Washington-Post article. Can anyone believe that someone could actually forget about those hi quality tapes for years? Impossible. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] While going through my Google Reader today I noticed this post on StorageMojo referencing Washington-Post article. Can anyone believe that someone could actually forget about those hi quality tapes for years? Impossible. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Magda</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/02/lost-in-space-mans-first-step-on-the-moon/#comment-19705</link>
		<dc:creator>David Magda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another system that is being used by many institutions is DSpace:

http://www.dspace.org/
http://www.google.com/search?q=dspace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another system that is being used by many institutions is DSpace:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dspace.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dspace.org/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=dspace" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=dspace</a></p>
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		<title>By: cheng</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumor says the tapes were intentionally hidden from public b/c they videotaped something interesting on the moon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumor says the tapes were intentionally hidden from public b/c they videotaped something interesting on the moon.</p>
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