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		<title>By: lornlab. &#187; ZFS com Oracle</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/04/23/new-zfs-performance-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-102524</link>
		<dc:creator>lornlab. &#187; ZFS com Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Consegui colocar o primeiro servidor Solaris em produção  e aproveitei para fazer uns testes no ZFS, conversei com o DBA aqui&#160; e ele criou toda a estrutura do Oracle no ZFS e&#8230;ficou muito lerdo!  pior, mais lerdo que Windows com NTFS!! Ai ele pesquisou na internet e tal e eis que o mundo inteiro tem esse problema&#8230;Eu estava animado com ZFS pois Benchmarks diziam que ZFS era muito rápidoMas tem outras considerações acerca do ZFS: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Consegui colocar o primeiro servidor Solaris em produção  e aproveitei para fazer uns testes no ZFS, conversei com o DBA aqui&nbsp; e ele criou toda a estrutura do Oracle no ZFS e&#8230;ficou muito lerdo!  pior, mais lerdo que Windows com NTFS!! Ai ele pesquisou na internet e tal e eis que o mundo inteiro tem esse problema&#8230;Eu estava animado com ZFS pois Benchmarks diziam que ZFS era muito rápidoMas tem outras considerações acerca do ZFS: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/04/23/new-zfs-performance-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-79406</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nice graph at the top of this article seems somewhat impressive, but the difficulty is when one starts asking critical questions.

What was the physical network topology in this test?  (Was there one, or was this test just done from a Solaris machine with some ZFS file-systems created?)

How much cache/system memory was available for ZFS to cache with?

It is handily noted that 512MB files were used, but how many?
It makes it quite difficult to know if caching boundaries are being surpassed without understanding in fact how many 512MB files were used and how much total cache was available on the system in question...

More than this...

What storage was unsed in this configuration?  (Vendor, Model, etc.?)  And is it safe to assume that this is going over a straight through Fibre Channel connection to the backend storage from the server/machine in question?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nice graph at the top of this article seems somewhat impressive, but the difficulty is when one starts asking critical questions.</p>
<p>What was the physical network topology in this test?  (Was there one, or was this test just done from a Solaris machine with some ZFS file-systems created?)</p>
<p>How much cache/system memory was available for ZFS to cache with?</p>
<p>It is handily noted that 512MB files were used, but how many?<br />
It makes it quite difficult to know if caching boundaries are being surpassed without understanding in fact how many 512MB files were used and how much total cache was available on the system in question&#8230;</p>
<p>More than this&#8230;</p>
<p>What storage was unsed in this configuration?  (Vendor, Model, etc.?)  And is it safe to assume that this is going over a straight through Fibre Channel connection to the backend storage from the server/machine in question?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: eckes</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/04/23/new-zfs-performance-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-68381</link>
		<dc:creator>eckes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 11:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El Burro, the recommendation about forcedirectio is not at all data integrity related. Oracle makes sure to fsync() all data which needs to be on disk (i.e. redologs after each commit or checkpoint). This will work even if you have a host filesystem cache. 

The reason for the directio setting is to avoid unneeded double caching of the blocks, because oracle manages a cache itself, and data which is read from disk wont be read again from oracle (unless memeory is low, but it is lower if you have two caches).

However I do not know - but I asume - that ZFS has a working f(data)sync() implementation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Burro, the recommendation about forcedirectio is not at all data integrity related. Oracle makes sure to fsync() all data which needs to be on disk (i.e. redologs after each commit or checkpoint). This will work even if you have a host filesystem cache. </p>
<p>The reason for the directio setting is to avoid unneeded double caching of the blocks, because oracle manages a cache itself, and data which is read from disk wont be read again from oracle (unless memeory is low, but it is lower if you have two caches).</p>
<p>However I do not know &#8211; but I asume &#8211; that ZFS has a working f(data)sync() implementation.</p>
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		<title>By: El Burro</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/04/23/new-zfs-performance-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-57593</link>
		<dc:creator>El Burro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, if system memory is used for caching you will have database corruption if your host crashes. That&#039;s why it is a &quot;best practice&quot; to run oracle only on filesystems that are mounted forcedirectio (actually in a &quot;filesystem benchmark&quot; this will yield bad results, but for oracles own IO optimization this is not a drawback). So if ZFS caches in system memory I will not run a productive database on it - an the comparison is useless. Actually, if you do an iozone with large files (beyond caching boundaries) and check random write performance (really stressing disk io) there is not much magic to ZFS compared to UFS. Of course, if your application does not have a consistency problem with being cached in memory you&#039;re fine with ZFS. Actually as far as a I can tell, SUN is not really endorsing ZFS for Oracle at the current time - probably for reasons stated above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, if system memory is used for caching you will have database corruption if your host crashes. That&#8217;s why it is a &#8220;best practice&#8221; to run oracle only on filesystems that are mounted forcedirectio (actually in a &#8220;filesystem benchmark&#8221; this will yield bad results, but for oracles own IO optimization this is not a drawback). So if ZFS caches in system memory I will not run a productive database on it &#8211; an the comparison is useless. Actually, if you do an iozone with large files (beyond caching boundaries) and check random write performance (really stressing disk io) there is not much magic to ZFS compared to UFS. Of course, if your application does not have a consistency problem with being cached in memory you&#8217;re fine with ZFS. Actually as far as a I can tell, SUN is not really endorsing ZFS for Oracle at the current time &#8211; probably for reasons stated above.</p>
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		<title>By: se</title>
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		<dc:creator>se</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i do not see the problems with some bloggers.. reading this it&#039;s a straight forward story

&quot;&quot; So what seems to be happening is that ZFS is caching extremely aggressively - way more than UFS, for instance. Given that most of the &quot;I/O&quot; was actually happening straight to and from the ARC cache, this explained the phenomenal transfer rates. Watching iostat again also showed that during the read tests, I was using far less of the SAN bandwidth. While performing &quot;read&quot; iozone tests on UFS, I was nearly maxing out the fabric bandwidth which could have lead to resource starvation issues, both for the host running the tests and for other hosts sharing the SAN. Using ZFS, the bandwidth dropped down to 50MB/s or so at peak, and much lower for the remainder of the tests - presumably due to the caching and prefetch behaviour of ZFS.

The upshot of all this is that it seems ZFS is just as &quot;safe&quot; as UFS - any application that really wants to be sure data has been written and committed to stable storage can still issue a fsync(), otherwise writes to the disks still happen at around the same rate as UFS, it just gives control back to the application immediately and lets the ZFS IO scheduler worry about actually emptying the caches. Assuming I lost power half-way through these writes, the filesystem would still be guaranteed to be safe - but I may still lose data (data loss as opposed to data corruption, which ZFS is designed to protect against end-to-end). It can also give you a staggering performance advantage and conserve IO bandwidth, just so long as you&#039;re careful you don&#039;t get misled into believing that your storage is faster than it actually is and have enough memory to handle the caching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do not see the problems with some bloggers.. reading this it&#8217;s a straight forward story</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221; So what seems to be happening is that ZFS is caching extremely aggressively &#8211; way more than UFS, for instance. Given that most of the &#8220;I/O&#8221; was actually happening straight to and from the ARC cache, this explained the phenomenal transfer rates. Watching iostat again also showed that during the read tests, I was using far less of the SAN bandwidth. While performing &#8220;read&#8221; iozone tests on UFS, I was nearly maxing out the fabric bandwidth which could have lead to resource starvation issues, both for the host running the tests and for other hosts sharing the SAN. Using ZFS, the bandwidth dropped down to 50MB/s or so at peak, and much lower for the remainder of the tests &#8211; presumably due to the caching and prefetch behaviour of ZFS.</p>
<p>The upshot of all this is that it seems ZFS is just as &#8220;safe&#8221; as UFS &#8211; any application that really wants to be sure data has been written and committed to stable storage can still issue a fsync(), otherwise writes to the disks still happen at around the same rate as UFS, it just gives control back to the application immediately and lets the ZFS IO scheduler worry about actually emptying the caches. Assuming I lost power half-way through these writes, the filesystem would still be guaranteed to be safe &#8211; but I may still lose data (data loss as opposed to data corruption, which ZFS is designed to protect against end-to-end). It can also give you a staggering performance advantage and conserve IO bandwidth, just so long as you&#8217;re careful you don&#8217;t get misled into believing that your storage is faster than it actually is and have enough memory to handle the caching!</p>
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		<title>By: Apple OS/X with ZFS Shall Rule the World. &#171; Kevin Closson&#8217;s Oracle Blog: Platform, Storage &#38; Clustering Topics Related to Oracle Databases</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/04/23/new-zfs-performance-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-55533</link>
		<dc:creator>Apple OS/X with ZFS Shall Rule the World. &#171; Kevin Closson&#8217;s Oracle Blog: Platform, Storage &#38; Clustering Topics Related to Oracle Databases</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Apple OS/X with ZFS Shall Rule the&#160;World.   Published April 24th, 2007   filesystem performance , ZFS Performance , ZFS Apple OS/X , High Performance Linux filesystem , direct I/O , I/O Topics , Oracle with ZFS , Cluster filesystem      The problem with blogging is there is no way to clearly write something tongue-in-cheek. No facial expressions, no smirking, no hand waving—just plain old black and white. That aside, I can’t resist posting a follow-up to a post on StorageMojo about ZFS performance.  I’m not taking a swipe at StorageMojo because it is one of my favorite blogs. However, every now and again third party perspective is a healthy thing. The topic at hand is this post about ZFS performance  which is a digest of this post on digitalbadger.net. The original post starts with: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Apple OS/X with ZFS Shall Rule the&nbsp;World.   Published April 24th, 2007   filesystem performance , ZFS Performance , ZFS Apple OS/X , High Performance Linux filesystem , direct I/O , I/O Topics , Oracle with ZFS , Cluster filesystem      The problem with blogging is there is no way to clearly write something tongue-in-cheek. No facial expressions, no smirking, no hand waving—just plain old black and white. That aside, I can’t resist posting a follow-up to a post on StorageMojo about ZFS performance.  I’m not taking a swipe at StorageMojo because it is one of my favorite blogs. However, every now and again third party perspective is a healthy thing. The topic at hand is this post about ZFS performance  which is a digest of this post on digitalbadger.net. The original post starts with: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milkowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Milkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El Burro - I don&#039;t get it. You got 10% more performance but just because &#039;... ZFS forces you to use the systems memory as a cache it is next to useless in an oracle Environment...&#039; . Why? What was your actual problem with ZFS+Oracle other than ZFS gives you more performance?
Please check Roch blog entry on directio &amp; zfs - http://blogs.sun.com/roch/entry/zfs_and_directio

For other ZFS benchmarks see also http://milek.blogspot.com/2007/04/hw-raid-vs-zfs-software-raid-part-iii.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Burro &#8211; I don&#8217;t get it. You got 10% more performance but just because &#8216;&#8230; ZFS forces you to use the systems memory as a cache it is next to useless in an oracle Environment&#8230;&#8217; . Why? What was your actual problem with ZFS+Oracle other than ZFS gives you more performance?<br />
Please check Roch blog entry on directio &amp; zfs &#8211; <a href="http://blogs.sun.com/roch/entry/zfs_and_directio" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.sun.com/roch/entry/zfs_and_directio</a></p>
<p>For other ZFS benchmarks see also <a href="http://milek.blogspot.com/2007/04/hw-raid-vs-zfs-software-raid-part-iii.html" rel="nofollow">http://milek.blogspot.com/2007/04/hw-raid-vs-zfs-software-raid-part-iii.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Closson's Oracle Blog: Platform, Storage &#38; Clustering Topics Related to Oracle Databases</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/04/23/new-zfs-performance-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-55399</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Closson's Oracle Blog: Platform, Storage &#38; Clustering Topics Related to Oracle Databases</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Oracle RAC on ZFS. A ZFS to ASM&#160;Comparison....&lt;/strong&gt;

According to my blog statistics, I have on average 15 visitors a day who found my blog using the following Google search terms:

ZFS Oracle RAC

I don’t pretend to know how that search stuff works (in classic Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer style) because I ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Oracle RAC on ZFS. A ZFS to ASM&nbsp;Comparison&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>According to my blog statistics, I have on average 15 visitors a day who found my blog using the following Google search terms:</p>
<p>ZFS Oracle RAC</p>
<p>I don’t pretend to know how that search stuff works (in classic Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer style) because I &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: El Burro</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/04/23/new-zfs-performance-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-55286</link>
		<dc:creator>El Burro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with a small workload such as 512mb you are basically just stressing your memory. If your ufs is mounted forcedirectio this is still going to disk (real life for a database) while ZFS is doing this in memory (as ZFS still lacks a directio path). So these results actually mean nothing apart from the fact that memory performance beats disk-io. I did some tests in out production environment using 4g database tablespaces and the results for &quot;random write&quot; had a 10% advantage for ZFS (using Oracle as a database). However as ZFS forces you to use the systems memory as a cache it is next to useless in an oracle Environment.
Of course, this is just a personal opinion ... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with a small workload such as 512mb you are basically just stressing your memory. If your ufs is mounted forcedirectio this is still going to disk (real life for a database) while ZFS is doing this in memory (as ZFS still lacks a directio path). So these results actually mean nothing apart from the fact that memory performance beats disk-io. I did some tests in out production environment using 4g database tablespaces and the results for &#8220;random write&#8221; had a 10% advantage for ZFS (using Oracle as a database). However as ZFS forces you to use the systems memory as a cache it is next to useless in an oracle Environment.<br />
Of course, this is just a personal opinion &#8230; <img src='http://storagemojo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: c0t0d0s0.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>c0t0d0s0.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ZFS benchmarks...&lt;/strong&gt;

Interesting comment to ZFS performance at ZFS and caching for performance:    Watching iostat again also showed that during the read tests, I was using far less of the SAN bandwidth. While performing read iozone tests on UFS, I was nearly maxing ou...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>ZFS benchmarks&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Interesting comment to ZFS performance at ZFS and caching for performance:    Watching iostat again also showed that during the read tests, I was using far less of the SAN bandwidth. While performing read iozone tests on UFS, I was nearly maxing ou&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most interesting, and points out the effect of a transactional, copy-on-write filesystem, especially with parity RAID volumes.

I like to say every ten to fifteen years there is a fundamental architectural change in filesystems.  The last big shift, in the mid-1990s, was the emergence of extent-based filesystems, such as IBM JFS, Veritas VxFS, SGI XFS, and Microsoft NTFS, along with many others which followed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most interesting, and points out the effect of a transactional, copy-on-write filesystem, especially with parity RAID volumes.</p>
<p>I like to say every ten to fifteen years there is a fundamental architectural change in filesystems.  The last big shift, in the mid-1990s, was the emergence of extent-based filesystems, such as IBM JFS, Veritas VxFS, SGI XFS, and Microsoft NTFS, along with many others which followed.</p>
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