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	<title>Comments on: EMC has Ph.Ds? - Part I</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: iheartstorage</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/05/07/emc-has-phds-part-i/#comment-63755</link>
		<dc:creator>iheartstorage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 17:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another shrill commentary from the storage industry's smuggest blogger.  enjoy your chianti, robin.  i'm off to StorageZilla's blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another shrill commentary from the storage industry&#8217;s smuggest blogger.  enjoy your chianti, robin.  i&#8217;m off to StorageZilla&#8217;s blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Purvis</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/05/07/emc-has-phds-part-i/#comment-63296</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Purvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 00:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin,

It is pretty much just you. The rest of us (all two of us) in Data Mobility Group think your NDA position is, in a word, dumb, though we still love you anyway, and as you noted, the EMC Analyst Days event was well attended (would it be violating my NDA to disclose that EMC didn’t have enough chairs the first day, so many attendees had to sit on metal chairs that threatened to cause permanent disabilities?).

It strikes me as odd that you would rather go to a NetApp event where you are &lt;i&gt;guaranteed&lt;/i&gt; not to hear anything but on-message, for-public-consumption marketing presentations than to the EMC event where it was at least possible that you might glean some information that you couldn’t get from reading the company’s web site. 

Honestly, there was hardly anything revealed at EMC Analyst Days that would surprise anyone. I think EMC could email all the presentations directly to their competitors and it would have little to no adverse impact on EMC and be of little to no benefit to the competitors. There were a few things that EMC plans to announce at EMC World that they announced to the analysts, six weeks ahead of time, but I suppose they could have just relied on the standard “gentleman’s embargo” instead of requiring a signed NDA for that stuff.
However, there were a few factoids and opinions that came up in the Q &#038; A and G &#038; T (give and take) that the EMC folks might not have shared had they not had the NDAs in place.

It’s interesting that you decided to lump the NDA dig in with the dig about EMC PhDs (I don’t see any common theme other than it being take-a-swipe-at-EMC day). If you had attended the EMC Analyst Days, you could have participated in a quite candid discussion with Jeff Nick (he’d probably call it a grilling) that included, among other things, the issue of EMC’s visibility / mindshare / participation in the IT “thought-o-sphere” (I just made that word up because I couldn’t think of an actually good way to say what I meant). I have several thoughts about your comments on EMC’s t-o-s performance (I both agree and disagree), but this comment is already over-long, so I’ll save them for later.

BFF,
Walter

(I guess maybe we should ask people to sign an NDA before letting them read these "internal" Data Mobility Group debates -- you think?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin,</p>
<p>It is pretty much just you. The rest of us (all two of us) in Data Mobility Group think your NDA position is, in a word, dumb, though we still love you anyway, and as you noted, the EMC Analyst Days event was well attended (would it be violating my NDA to disclose that EMC didn’t have enough chairs the first day, so many attendees had to sit on metal chairs that threatened to cause permanent disabilities?).</p>
<p>It strikes me as odd that you would rather go to a NetApp event where you are <i>guaranteed</i> not to hear anything but on-message, for-public-consumption marketing presentations than to the EMC event where it was at least possible that you might glean some information that you couldn’t get from reading the company’s web site. </p>
<p>Honestly, there was hardly anything revealed at EMC Analyst Days that would surprise anyone. I think EMC could email all the presentations directly to their competitors and it would have little to no adverse impact on EMC and be of little to no benefit to the competitors. There were a few things that EMC plans to announce at EMC World that they announced to the analysts, six weeks ahead of time, but I suppose they could have just relied on the standard “gentleman’s embargo” instead of requiring a signed NDA for that stuff.<br />
However, there were a few factoids and opinions that came up in the Q &#038; A and G &#038; T (give and take) that the EMC folks might not have shared had they not had the NDAs in place.</p>
<p>It’s interesting that you decided to lump the NDA dig in with the dig about EMC PhDs (I don’t see any common theme other than it being take-a-swipe-at-EMC day). If you had attended the EMC Analyst Days, you could have participated in a quite candid discussion with Jeff Nick (he’d probably call it a grilling) that included, among other things, the issue of EMC’s visibility / mindshare / participation in the IT “thought-o-sphere” (I just made that word up because I couldn’t think of an actually good way to say what I meant). I have several thoughts about your comments on EMC’s t-o-s performance (I both agree and disagree), but this comment is already over-long, so I’ll save them for later.</p>
<p>BFF,<br />
Walter</p>
<p>(I guess maybe we should ask people to sign an NDA before letting them read these &#8220;internal&#8221; Data Mobility Group debates &#8212; you think?)</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Maher</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/05/07/emc-has-phds-part-i/#comment-63258</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 22:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm excited to see what you come up with too, this will be a welcome review. You are always careful in your analysis (regardless of whether I agree or not). One thing I'd really like to read after a review of EMC’s R&#38;D strategy, is your take on the storage industry. Is it becoming commoditized, leaving information management in it's place, or will the storage industry stay relevant as just a provider of storage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m excited to see what you come up with too, this will be a welcome review. You are always careful in your analysis (regardless of whether I agree or not). One thing I&#8217;d really like to read after a review of EMC’s R&amp;D strategy, is your take on the storage industry. Is it becoming commoditized, leaving information management in it&#8217;s place, or will the storage industry stay relevant as just a provider of storage?</p>
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		<title>By: Storagezilla</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/05/07/emc-has-phds-part-i/#comment-63217</link>
		<dc:creator>Storagezilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three notes, I sent you three notes not two. The final one was sent 13 minutes after your "mother comment" and while  I have no problem with you posting our exchange the fact that you didn't post all of it is somewhat disappointing.

Looks like I'm just going to have to blog about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three notes, I sent you three notes not two. The final one was sent 13 minutes after your &#8220;mother comment&#8221; and while  I have no problem with you posting our exchange the fact that you didn&#8217;t post all of it is somewhat disappointing.</p>
<p>Looks like I&#8217;m just going to have to blog about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

You are correct. I'm not getting a lot of love from EMC, except for the hottie in marcom. For all their bravado they can be such wimps, fearful of engaging with critics. What they don't get is that I'd like to see them do well. 

Maybe sending all their exec's to Karl Rove's "George W. Bush School of Leadership" wasn't such a great investment.

Now-I-must-go-and-buy-many-EqualLogic-thingies. . . . 


Chris,

They be hatin' on you, man. 

Or it could be that they treat analysts differently than they do IT consultants. Were you at the NYC analyst meeting? It was a good event and it improved my take on NetApp.

Robin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>You are correct. I&#8217;m not getting a lot of love from EMC, except for the hottie in marcom. For all their bravado they can be such wimps, fearful of engaging with critics. What they don&#8217;t get is that I&#8217;d like to see them do well. </p>
<p>Maybe sending all their exec&#8217;s to Karl Rove&#8217;s &#8220;George W. Bush School of Leadership&#8221; wasn&#8217;t such a great investment.</p>
<p>Now-I-must-go-and-buy-many-EqualLogic-thingies. . . . </p>
<p>Chris,</p>
<p>They be hatin&#8217; on you, man. </p>
<p>Or it could be that they treat analysts differently than they do IT consultants. Were you at the NYC analyst meeting? It was a good event and it improved my take on NetApp.</p>
<p>Robin</p>
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		<title>By: Chris M Evans</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/05/07/emc-has-phds-part-i/#comment-63204</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris M Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 20:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, Netapp have always asked me to sign an NDA - can anyone tell me, is that good or bad? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, Netapp have always asked me to sign an NDA - can anyone tell me, is that good or bad? <img src='http://storagemojo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Farley</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/05/07/emc-has-phds-part-i/#comment-63072</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Robin,  So you refused to sign their NDA, which means you are still independent of their marketing organization.  Good for you!  The problem you have now is that they will not pay you to perform analyst duties for them without signing it.  That's not so good for you.  

There must be a reason they pad their papers with non-subliminal adverts.  Maybe it's because it works.  I hate to think that we (humans)  are at the level,  but sometimes you just have to wonder.  Oh yes, unless I forget, buy EqualLogic products.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with on this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Robin,  So you refused to sign their NDA, which means you are still independent of their marketing organization.  Good for you!  The problem you have now is that they will not pay you to perform analyst duties for them without signing it.  That&#8217;s not so good for you.  </p>
<p>There must be a reason they pad their papers with non-subliminal adverts.  Maybe it&#8217;s because it works.  I hate to think that we (humans)  are at the level,  but sometimes you just have to wonder.  Oh yes, unless I forget, buy EqualLogic products.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing what you come up with on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Harris</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/05/07/emc-has-phds-part-i/#comment-63070</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Storagezilla,

That seemed unnecessarily short, so I sent Mark Twomey,, an EMC Senior Solutions Engineer based in Ireland, a note with the header: What's the magic word?

So he sent me back two notes:
 -The first with a one word reply: "Dork?"
 -The second said: 
"And as I put in my post, just sign the bloody NDA at least then you'll
have a frame of reference to complain from. ;-p"

The kicker: the post I referenced isn't on the new site. I couldn't change the link if I wanted to.

Mark, I predict you have a great future ahead of you at EMC. 

Robin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Storagezilla,</p>
<p>That seemed unnecessarily short, so I sent Mark Twomey,, an EMC Senior Solutions Engineer based in Ireland, a note with the header: What&#8217;s the magic word?</p>
<p>So he sent me back two notes:<br />
 -The first with a one word reply: &#8220;Dork?&#8221;<br />
 -The second said:<br />
&#8220;And as I put in my post, just sign the bloody NDA at least then you&#8217;ll<br />
have a frame of reference to complain from. ;-p&#8221;</p>
<p>The kicker: the post I referenced isn&#8217;t on the new site. I couldn&#8217;t change the link if I wanted to.</p>
<p>Mark, I predict you have a great future ahead of you at EMC. </p>
<p>Robin</p>
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		<title>By: Storagezilla</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/05/07/emc-has-phds-part-i/#comment-62892</link>
		<dc:creator>Storagezilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 09:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update your link, I've moved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update your link, I&#8217;ve moved.</p>
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