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	<title>Comments on: Patent update for engineers</title>
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		<title>By: Marc Farley</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/05/16/patent-update-for-engineers/#comment-66945</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 00:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was joking a bit, picking up on Linus' comment on the importance (or lack thereof) of reading patents.  The analyst profession is a very interesting topic, but I'm not sure how much benefit you will personally get from an honest analysis of it. 

For instance, you could look at EMC's payment to IDS for a study on five nines.  Obviously if EMC is paying for it, IDC is going to work to make sure the results fit EMC's goals - because IDC wants to continue to get more of this good business.  Its not clear to me that there is any benefit to you in trying to expose this kind of influence - you run the risk of alienating yourself from the flow of funds.  And for what gain?  For stating the obvious?  

At a minimum, people in the analyst business are going to give a pass to companies that help them pay the rent.  More likely, you have good reasons to analyze and promote your clients' solutions. 

As to RAID - I think we need to clarify terms here.  Are you talking about RAID algorithms or about RAID disk subsystems.  I never really thought you left the ball in my court, but maybe I didn't understand. Nonetheless, I'm not sure what you expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was joking a bit, picking up on Linus&#8217; comment on the importance (or lack thereof) of reading patents.  The analyst profession is a very interesting topic, but I&#8217;m not sure how much benefit you will personally get from an honest analysis of it. </p>
<p>For instance, you could look at EMC&#8217;s payment to IDS for a study on five nines.  Obviously if EMC is paying for it, IDC is going to work to make sure the results fit EMC&#8217;s goals - because IDC wants to continue to get more of this good business.  Its not clear to me that there is any benefit to you in trying to expose this kind of influence - you run the risk of alienating yourself from the flow of funds.  And for what gain?  For stating the obvious?  </p>
<p>At a minimum, people in the analyst business are going to give a pass to companies that help them pay the rent.  More likely, you have good reasons to analyze and promote your clients&#8217; solutions. </p>
<p>As to RAID - I think we need to clarify terms here.  Are you talking about RAID algorithms or about RAID disk subsystems.  I never really thought you left the ball in my court, but maybe I didn&#8217;t understand. Nonetheless, I&#8217;m not sure what you expected.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Harris</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/05/16/patent-update-for-engineers/#comment-66740</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 03:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

Actually, the NDA rant was a small part of a larger thread that some people picked up on. 

The reason I'm looking at EMC's patents is I'm trying to get a handle on what, if any, research priorities they have. I'd like to understand who their top researchers are, as well.

What prompted this was the realization that EMC is pretty much invisible in the world of storage research, unlike most of their competitors, larger and smaller. 

Like it or not, I'm interested in this stuff, and in public methods of getting a handle on it.

Yes, I am preparing another post on the analyst profession, which I think will go on &lt;a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Storage Bits&lt;/a&gt; over at ZDnet.

And did you ever have any comment on my response to your post on RAID?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>Actually, the NDA rant was a small part of a larger thread that some people picked up on. </p>
<p>The reason I&#8217;m looking at EMC&#8217;s patents is I&#8217;m trying to get a handle on what, if any, research priorities they have. I&#8217;d like to understand who their top researchers are, as well.</p>
<p>What prompted this was the realization that EMC is pretty much invisible in the world of storage research, unlike most of their competitors, larger and smaller. </p>
<p>Like it or not, I&#8217;m interested in this stuff, and in public methods of getting a handle on it.</p>
<p>Yes, I am preparing another post on the analyst profession, which I think will go on <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Storage Bits</a> over at ZDnet.</p>
<p>And did you ever have any comment on my response to your post on RAID?</p>
<p>Robin</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Farley</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/05/16/patent-update-for-engineers/#comment-66732</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 02:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin, please stop wasting everybody's time with this patent BS, would you.  BTW, didn't this start as a rant about NDA's?  I was wondering if anything else had turned up on this topic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin, please stop wasting everybody&#8217;s time with this patent BS, would you.  BTW, didn&#8217;t this start as a rant about NDA&#8217;s?  I was wondering if anything else had turned up on this topic?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2007/05/16/patent-update-for-engineers/#comment-66559</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 10:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Linus said it all .... and its long overdue!
It will be very interesting to see what level of originality Microsoft is claiming in their patents… presumably they looked all the way back to Multics, Xerox and Apple.  

The issue clearly rests with the Patent Office which is more motivated by fees than the originality of inventions. On the other hand, some of the blame rests with the engineers participating in this game. 

How can "using the message fabric to maintain cache coherency" or “a pair of independent power busses” be patentable....  its a bad joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Linus said it all &#8230;. and its long overdue!<br />
It will be very interesting to see what level of originality Microsoft is claiming in their patents… presumably they looked all the way back to Multics, Xerox and Apple.  </p>
<p>The issue clearly rests with the Patent Office which is more motivated by fees than the originality of inventions. On the other hand, some of the blame rests with the engineers participating in this game. </p>
<p>How can &#8220;using the message fabric to maintain cache coherency&#8221; or “a pair of independent power busses” be patentable&#8230;.  its a bad joke.</p>
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