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	<title>Comments on: Seagate ships infected drives</title>
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		<title>By: Stephen Foskett, Pack Rat :: Terabytes on the Cheap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Foskett, Pack Rat :: Terabytes on the Cheap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And, yeah, the most recent 3200 had that Chinese virus problem, but Avira&#8217;s AntiVir blocked it and a quick reformat wiped it clean&#8230; It&#8217;s kind of amusing to be personally affected by a tech meme, isn&#8217;t it? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And, yeah, the most recent 3200 had that Chinese virus problem, but Avira&#8217;s AntiVir blocked it and a quick reformat wiped it clean&#8230; It&#8217;s kind of amusing to be personally affected by a tech meme, isn&#8217;t it? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Burton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chinese govt?  What about the US government - they&#039;re ACTUALLY spying on us RIGHT NOW.

Granted, hypothetical discussions are interesting but this is a problem that needs to be solved now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese govt?  What about the US government &#8211; they&#8217;re ACTUALLY spying on us RIGHT NOW.</p>
<p>Granted, hypothetical discussions are interesting but this is a problem that needs to be solved now.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chiropetra,

True. Which gets us back to the issue of &quot;why?&quot; The Chinese government has good reason not to do that, unless it is war.

If it is war, then disk drives might play a part. Yet who better than China to mount a massive cyber-attack on the Internet infrastructure of the Western world? That is a much more obvious vulnerability.

Robin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chiropetra,</p>
<p>True. Which gets us back to the issue of &#8220;why?&#8221; The Chinese government has good reason not to do that, unless it is war.</p>
<p>If it is war, then disk drives might play a part. Yet who better than China to mount a massive cyber-attack on the Internet infrastructure of the Western world? That is a much more obvious vulnerability.</p>
<p>Robin</p>
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		<title>By: chiropetra</title>
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		<dc:creator>chiropetra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin, the Chinese  don&#039;t have to ship millions of infected drives and hope they&#039;re not found. If they ship a couple of hundred infected drives and they&#039;re caught quickly, it will raise and incredible amount of hell with the IT infrastructure.

Everyone with sensitive data and Seagate drives would have to insure that none of their drives were infected. That would be an enormous effort and cost a whole bunch of money. Meanwhile we&#039;d be stuck with thousands or millions of suspect computers, some of which will undoubtedly be performing critical jobs..

This may not be a deliberate move in the Chinese information war, but it&#039;s extremely troubling nonetheless. Prudent vendors may have to start checking every single drive before they install it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin, the Chinese  don&#8217;t have to ship millions of infected drives and hope they&#8217;re not found. If they ship a couple of hundred infected drives and they&#8217;re caught quickly, it will raise and incredible amount of hell with the IT infrastructure.</p>
<p>Everyone with sensitive data and Seagate drives would have to insure that none of their drives were infected. That would be an enormous effort and cost a whole bunch of money. Meanwhile we&#8217;d be stuck with thousands or millions of suspect computers, some of which will undoubtedly be performing critical jobs..</p>
<p>This may not be a deliberate move in the Chinese information war, but it&#8217;s extremely troubling nonetheless. Prudent vendors may have to start checking every single drive before they install it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, good point. I could see that happening to a small, irritating country - Vietnam, Korea, Taiwan, Mongolia - where China could move in militarily.

China&#039;s export-led growth militates against such an act of war against major trading partners, such as the US, Japan and Europe, unless things got really crazy. Industrial espionage is much more valuable to the Chinese economy, just as it was to the 19th century US economy. 

To mount such an attack, the Chinese government would have to ship millions of drives with a hidden logic bomb trusting that no one would find it. Then it would have to get a message to all those drives telling them to attack unless they were on a timer. 

How likely is that?

There are much more obvious ways to take out the Internet for a few weeks. Using disk drives would be too much trouble with too great a risk of detection. Engineers who qualify disk drives are pretty smart and use a lot of different tests to discover drive firmware bugs. I wouldn&#039;t want to be the bright guy who told the leadership that a disk drive logic bomb could be hidden for a few years.

Robin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, good point. I could see that happening to a small, irritating country &#8211; Vietnam, Korea, Taiwan, Mongolia &#8211; where China could move in militarily.</p>
<p>China&#8217;s export-led growth militates against such an act of war against major trading partners, such as the US, Japan and Europe, unless things got really crazy. Industrial espionage is much more valuable to the Chinese economy, just as it was to the 19th century US economy. </p>
<p>To mount such an attack, the Chinese government would have to ship millions of drives with a hidden logic bomb trusting that no one would find it. Then it would have to get a message to all those drives telling them to attack unless they were on a timer. </p>
<p>How likely is that?</p>
<p>There are much more obvious ways to take out the Internet for a few weeks. Using disk drives would be too much trouble with too great a risk of detection. Engineers who qualify disk drives are pretty smart and use a lot of different tests to discover drive firmware bugs. I wouldn&#8217;t want to be the bright guy who told the leadership that a disk drive logic bomb could be hidden for a few years.</p>
<p>Robin</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To play the devil&#039;s advocate, you make the assumption that the Chinese want to spy. Suppose their current friendly relationship with country x (hopefully not the US) goes south.

From a tactical information warfare viewpoint, the Chinese government may gain more by simultaneously blue screening that country&#039;s commerce and defense capabilities and overloading their networks than by data gathering.

Data warfare is as much about preventing access to important information as gaining it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To play the devil&#8217;s advocate, you make the assumption that the Chinese want to spy. Suppose their current friendly relationship with country x (hopefully not the US) goes south.</p>
<p>From a tactical information warfare viewpoint, the Chinese government may gain more by simultaneously blue screening that country&#8217;s commerce and defense capabilities and overloading their networks than by data gathering.</p>
<p>Data warfare is as much about preventing access to important information as gaining it.</p>
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