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		<title>By: e2eiod</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2008/01/23/vendors-beware-the-buyers-are-restless/comment-page-1/#comment-166528</link>
		<dc:creator>e2eiod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Storage Industry is not immune to the same &quot;lack of customer focus&quot; and inability to deliver this, if they cared what it was, as GM (still trying to morph into a viable entity), the old AT&amp;T and others --- your favorite here.
One of the reasons GM can&#039;t morph, and the new AT&amp;T will be no more successful than the old AT&amp;T, is the historic gutting of people with talent and the ability to get the job done. Cutting costs does not grow a business. It satisfies stockholders and the bonus/incentive program.

This is the main reason most acquisitions of new technology never do anything for the purchaser. They don&#039;t have the talent and ability left internally to do anything with the acquisition. If they did they would have done it already.

From a mailing list I am on...
This writer wanted the &quot;turbo Hayabusa&quot; of Storage...
&quot;I believe this is the equivalent of a turbo Hayabusa.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/storage/640gb-flash-hard-drive-for-a-paltry-19000-308398.php&quot;

[rdpcomment]
This is the typical mentality. Everything is solved by infinite horsepower.
Disk spinning at &quot;light speed&quot; would solve all problems. In
acceleration this is true.
In the number of ad hoc (unstructured) Information space operations you can complete in a finite time, this is not true.
It might be true if all operations were done in IDC  “performance optimized” (think SAS) storage. All &quot;light speed&quot; operation bets are off if Information has to be retrieved from “capacity optimized” (think SATA) storage or worse (tape? - shudder).

[Storage Design of the Future]
&quot;[comment1]
&gt;  Also, if you want a &quot;turbo Hayabusa&quot; then you should go with a hardware
&gt;  raid solution. Raid0. You&#039;d need multiple disks to make a RAID 0
&gt;  solution work. Two disks at least.

[comment2]
For a Turbo Hayabusa, you&#039;d need a lot more disks than that.  You&#039;ll
need 4Gb FCSW SAN networking with wire-speed switches, large numbers
of FC connected 15KRPM SASI disks, and a few terabytes of SSD to act
as a high-speed cache.&quot;

[rdpcomment]
Do the design above with all Flash...

[rdpcomment]
Have you thought how limiting the current designs of &quot;large&quot; Flash drives are?
They are &quot;plug replacements&quot; for rotating rust.
They don&#039;t have to be. If the Speed Limit of the Information Universe
in the I/O area was re-thought you might see several orders of
magnitude increase in throughput. I believe this will be the next wave
once the &quot;rotating rust plug replacement&quot; phase passes.

[Smart Oven]
Have you any knowledge of the &quot;Smart Ovens&quot; that are out now?
How about &quot;Smart Washing Machines&quot;?

[Smart Storage]
Isn&#039;t it about time for &quot;Smart Storage&quot; to make an appearance?
This should have been first.
I want &quot;Smart Storage&quot; for the same reasons people want &quot;Smart Ovens&quot;.
They deliver the desired results in half the time with little or no heat.

It took the introduction of Japanese cars to bury Detroit and the V-8.
Maybe Flash will be the thing for Storage.

Smart Storage is the Future. For commodity prices.
The customer landscape has changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Storage Industry is not immune to the same &#8220;lack of customer focus&#8221; and inability to deliver this, if they cared what it was, as GM (still trying to morph into a viable entity), the old AT&amp;T and others &#8212; your favorite here.<br />
One of the reasons GM can&#8217;t morph, and the new AT&amp;T will be no more successful than the old AT&amp;T, is the historic gutting of people with talent and the ability to get the job done. Cutting costs does not grow a business. It satisfies stockholders and the bonus/incentive program.</p>
<p>This is the main reason most acquisitions of new technology never do anything for the purchaser. They don&#8217;t have the talent and ability left internally to do anything with the acquisition. If they did they would have done it already.</p>
<p>From a mailing list I am on&#8230;<br />
This writer wanted the &#8220;turbo Hayabusa&#8221; of Storage&#8230;<br />
&#8220;I believe this is the equivalent of a turbo Hayabusa.<br />
<a href="http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/storage/640gb-flash-hard-drive-for-a-paltry-19000-308398.php" rel="nofollow">http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/storage/640gb-flash-hard-drive-for-a-paltry-19000-308398.php</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>[rdpcomment]<br />
This is the typical mentality. Everything is solved by infinite horsepower.<br />
Disk spinning at &#8220;light speed&#8221; would solve all problems. In<br />
acceleration this is true.<br />
In the number of ad hoc (unstructured) Information space operations you can complete in a finite time, this is not true.<br />
It might be true if all operations were done in IDC  “performance optimized” (think SAS) storage. All &#8220;light speed&#8221; operation bets are off if Information has to be retrieved from “capacity optimized” (think SATA) storage or worse (tape? &#8211; shudder).</p>
<p>[Storage Design of the Future]<br />
&#8220;[comment1]<br />
&gt;  Also, if you want a &#8220;turbo Hayabusa&#8221; then you should go with a hardware<br />
&gt;  raid solution. Raid0. You&#8217;d need multiple disks to make a RAID 0<br />
&gt;  solution work. Two disks at least.</p>
<p>[comment2]<br />
For a Turbo Hayabusa, you&#8217;d need a lot more disks than that.  You&#8217;ll<br />
need 4Gb FCSW SAN networking with wire-speed switches, large numbers<br />
of FC connected 15KRPM SASI disks, and a few terabytes of SSD to act<br />
as a high-speed cache.&#8221;</p>
<p>[rdpcomment]<br />
Do the design above with all Flash&#8230;</p>
<p>[rdpcomment]<br />
Have you thought how limiting the current designs of &#8220;large&#8221; Flash drives are?<br />
They are &#8220;plug replacements&#8221; for rotating rust.<br />
They don&#8217;t have to be. If the Speed Limit of the Information Universe<br />
in the I/O area was re-thought you might see several orders of<br />
magnitude increase in throughput. I believe this will be the next wave<br />
once the &#8220;rotating rust plug replacement&#8221; phase passes.</p>
<p>[Smart Oven]<br />
Have you any knowledge of the &#8220;Smart Ovens&#8221; that are out now?<br />
How about &#8220;Smart Washing Machines&#8221;?</p>
<p>[Smart Storage]<br />
Isn&#8217;t it about time for &#8220;Smart Storage&#8221; to make an appearance?<br />
This should have been first.<br />
I want &#8220;Smart Storage&#8221; for the same reasons people want &#8220;Smart Ovens&#8221;.<br />
They deliver the desired results in half the time with little or no heat.</p>
<p>It took the introduction of Japanese cars to bury Detroit and the V-8.<br />
Maybe Flash will be the thing for Storage.</p>
<p>Smart Storage is the Future. For commodity prices.<br />
The customer landscape has changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Danno</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2008/01/23/vendors-beware-the-buyers-are-restless/comment-page-1/#comment-166012</link>
		<dc:creator>Danno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems the fundamental issues for HP and EMC may have similarities.  EMC&#039;s slide in maintaining &#039;top of mind&#039; implies a loss of creativity and innovation to solve tangible customer problems directly related to storage.  In essence a loss of focus.

As for HP, for years they have suffered with problems marketing storage. Perhaps complacency has set in and marketing needs to be shaken up. A number of talented storage people have cycled through the HP Storage marketing organization.  David Scott (CEO 3PAR), Mark Lewis (Sr. VP &amp; GM @EMC) to name a few.  Both had very short stints.  

Which begs the question, aside from the opportunity you went to, why leave so quickly?  Could the challenge of marketing storage from within such a large corporate environment be so full of red-tape it is impossible to truly be creative?  Only they know.  

Regardless though, HP would be well advised to do a deep dive on why this seems to be a perpetual problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems the fundamental issues for HP and EMC may have similarities.  EMC&#8217;s slide in maintaining &#8216;top of mind&#8217; implies a loss of creativity and innovation to solve tangible customer problems directly related to storage.  In essence a loss of focus.</p>
<p>As for HP, for years they have suffered with problems marketing storage. Perhaps complacency has set in and marketing needs to be shaken up. A number of talented storage people have cycled through the HP Storage marketing organization.  David Scott (CEO 3PAR), Mark Lewis (Sr. VP &amp; GM @EMC) to name a few.  Both had very short stints.  </p>
<p>Which begs the question, aside from the opportunity you went to, why leave so quickly?  Could the challenge of marketing storage from within such a large corporate environment be so full of red-tape it is impossible to truly be creative?  Only they know.  </p>
<p>Regardless though, HP would be well advised to do a deep dive on why this seems to be a perpetual problem.</p>
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		<title>By: tim wissman</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2008/01/23/vendors-beware-the-buyers-are-restless/comment-page-1/#comment-165964</link>
		<dc:creator>tim wissman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with the caveat that i am not a big EMC fan, this does not surprise me. EMC has a history of arrogance and narrow product focus (most of their own hardware requires different software). I once sat in on a technical briefing that was set up by my old employer, and for 3.5 hours the only thing i walked away with is that 1) EMC has a lot of money and 2) they buy companies. now dont get me wrong, i understand that big companies get this way through the buying and selling assets, but when i take time away from my customers for a technical briefing, i dont want to hear what the bean counters are up to.

so i am glad to hear that EMC is looking at a bloody nose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with the caveat that i am not a big EMC fan, this does not surprise me. EMC has a history of arrogance and narrow product focus (most of their own hardware requires different software). I once sat in on a technical briefing that was set up by my old employer, and for 3.5 hours the only thing i walked away with is that 1) EMC has a lot of money and 2) they buy companies. now dont get me wrong, i understand that big companies get this way through the buying and selling assets, but when i take time away from my customers for a technical briefing, i dont want to hear what the bean counters are up to.</p>
<p>so i am glad to hear that EMC is looking at a bloody nose.</p>
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		<title>By: the storage anarchist</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2008/01/23/vendors-beware-the-buyers-are-restless/comment-page-1/#comment-165957</link>
		<dc:creator>the storage anarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow I suspect this research pre-dates last week&#039;s announcements.

Granted, if *I* ran The Info Pro, I&#039;d probably want to get this &quot;bad&quot; news out as quickly as possible, given the surprise announcement from the Evil Machine Company last week. Especially since everyone knows there are at least a couple more announcements still to come.

The wise may want to hold on to their money until TIP completes its next round of surveys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow I suspect this research pre-dates last week&#8217;s announcements.</p>
<p>Granted, if *I* ran The Info Pro, I&#8217;d probably want to get this &#8220;bad&#8221; news out as quickly as possible, given the surprise announcement from the Evil Machine Company last week. Especially since everyone knows there are at least a couple more announcements still to come.</p>
<p>The wise may want to hold on to their money until TIP completes its next round of surveys.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;m lazy and not perusing the above link.  So my question is... where are they seeing isilon uptake?  From my understanding of the platform, it&#039;s horrible for 99% of the workloads out there.  Great for streaming large files, but that&#039;s about it.  Maybe I&#039;ve been misinformed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m lazy and not perusing the above link.  So my question is&#8230; where are they seeing isilon uptake?  From my understanding of the platform, it&#8217;s horrible for 99% of the workloads out there.  Great for streaming large files, but that&#8217;s about it.  Maybe I&#8217;ve been misinformed?</p>
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