Comments on: Notebook SSDs are dead http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/ Data storage info & analysis Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:54:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Daniel Watkins http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-207972 Daniel Watkins Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:10:59 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-207972 THIS BLOG ENTRY IS INVALID! Tomshardware.com has admitted that the "The SSD Power Consumption Hoax" article was not done correctly. They admitted this in a follow-up article named:"Flash SSD Update: More Results, Answers" URL:: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-hard-drive,1968.html Exercpt:: "First of all, we want to take this opportunity and apologize to our readers, for we made a procedural mistake when we compared battery runtime of various Flash SSDs, which we used to replace a 7,200 RPM hard drive on a business notebook in an effort to compare battery life of SSDs versus a conventional hard drive. As it was commented by our readers (see comments of that article) and other sources (thanks, George), part of the test procedure was inaccurate because of varying workload. This may cause other system components such as the CPU to be used more intensively, hence contributing to draining the battery earlier than on a slower drive. The conclusion, however, that Flash SSDs are often misleadingly presented as energy savers to increase your battery mileage on notebooks, is not invalidated. The truth is that more and more Flash SSDs will be increasingly efficient. But many conventional hard drives can also be more efficient than today’s Flash SSDs in the scenarios some of you were demanding: when providing data under a defined workload such as video playback or in idle until the notebook battery runs empty." Observe how power efficient the Intel G2 MLC SSD is and the performance it delivers, not to mention the slew of new SSDs from OCZ, Memoright and others. These solid state storage devices will only get more efficient in time. THIS BLOG ENTRY IS INVALID!
Tomshardware.com has admitted that the “The SSD Power Consumption Hoax” article was not done correctly. They admitted this in a follow-up article named:”Flash SSD Update: More Results, Answers” URL::
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-hard-drive,1968.html

Exercpt::
“First of all, we want to take this opportunity and apologize to our readers, for we made a procedural mistake when we compared battery runtime of various Flash SSDs, which we used to replace a 7,200 RPM hard drive on a business notebook in an effort to compare battery life of SSDs versus a conventional hard drive. As it was commented by our readers (see comments of that article) and other sources (thanks, George), part of the test procedure was inaccurate because of varying workload. This may cause other system components such as the CPU to be used more intensively, hence contributing to draining the battery earlier than on a slower drive.

The conclusion, however, that Flash SSDs are often misleadingly presented as energy savers to increase your battery mileage on notebooks, is not invalidated. The truth is that more and more Flash SSDs will be increasingly efficient. But many conventional hard drives can also be more efficient than today’s Flash SSDs in the scenarios some of you were demanding: when providing data under a defined workload such as video playback or in idle until the notebook battery runs empty.”

Observe how power efficient the Intel G2 MLC SSD is and the performance it delivers, not to mention the slew of new SSDs from OCZ, Memoright and others. These solid state storage devices will only get more efficient in time.

]]> By: Serious Sidius http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-204706 Serious Sidius Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:31:28 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-204706 I agree that SSDs are not quite the "better storage" we were looking for. They also want to claim "data integrity" but keep dropping the bar from 100 years with SLC to 10 or even 5 years with MLC. So I can keep my hard disk in a box for 20 years and come back to find my data intact, not so with newer flash. "Hi there. Sega is going to release the first solid state flash drive gaming console which will probably take millions of hard core games away from Sony and Microsoft" You mean like the master system or genesis? Cartridges are eeprom-based (flash), you realize that? I agree that SSDs are not quite the “better storage” we were looking for. They also want to claim “data integrity” but keep dropping the bar from 100 years with SLC to 10 or even 5 years with MLC. So I can keep my hard disk in a box for 20 years and come back to find my data intact, not so with newer flash.

“Hi there. Sega is going to release the first solid state flash drive gaming console which will probably take millions of hard core games away from Sony and Microsoft”
You mean like the master system or genesis?
Cartridges are eeprom-based (flash), you realize that?

]]> By: james braselton http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-199493 james braselton Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:48:01 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-199493 Hi there. Sega is going to release the first solid state flash drive gaming console which will probably take millions of hard core games away from Sony and Microsoft Hi there. Sega is going to release the first solid state flash drive gaming console which will probably take millions of hard core games away from Sony and Microsoft

]]> By: james braselton http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-199422 james braselton Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:13:02 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-199422 Hi there Apple has added a 256 GB SSD flash drive for their 13 inch MacBook and their 15 inch MacBook Pro has the 256 GB SSD option as well. Hi there Apple has added a 256 GB SSD flash drive for their 13 inch MacBook and their 15 inch MacBook Pro has the 256 GB SSD option as well.

]]> By: james braselton http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-199278 james braselton Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:28:18 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-199278 Hi there Apple 17 Inch Mac Book Pro has a 256 GB SSD for $900 and at New Egg you can buy a 2.5 inch 256 GB SSD $499 soo SDD are not done for yet. Hi there Apple 17 Inch Mac Book Pro has a 256 GB SSD for $900 and at New Egg you can buy a 2.5 inch 256 GB SSD $499 soo SDD are not done for yet.

]]> By: james braselton http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-198848 james braselton Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:27:00 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-198848 Hi there you are worng ssd are just now taking off sony and alien ware offer 256 gb ssd for $1,300 and sony apple and dell have 128 gb ssd for about $500 soo soner or later the hard core gamers advantaly put hard drive sells too zero i say in about 22 years from know no one will know what a hard drive is just like the floppy drive and dail up modems Hi there you are worng ssd are just now taking off sony and alien ware offer 256 gb ssd for $1,300 and sony apple and dell have 128 gb ssd for about $500 soo soner or later the hard core gamers advantaly put hard drive sells too zero i say in about 22 years from know no one will know what a hard drive is just like the floppy drive and dail up modems

]]> By: Anonymous http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-197899 Anonymous Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:55:40 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-197899 Just a remarkable example, beyond extreme speed increase by booting and random IO, SSDs are more robust devices, I am working in hard enviroemnts and this is the 5th time in 2 years that I changed my 2.5 inch rotating notebook drive because of bad sector and malfunctioning because of vibration. With SSD no trouble even when working near a press brake vibrating at 20HZ Just a remarkable example, beyond extreme speed increase by booting and random IO, SSDs are more robust devices, I am working in hard enviroemnts and this is the 5th time in 2 years that I changed my 2.5 inch rotating notebook drive because of bad sector and malfunctioning because of vibration. With SSD no trouble even when working near a press brake vibrating at 20HZ

]]> By: Gary http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-196783 Gary Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:39:36 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-196783 Antonio: "NAND prices keep going down and SSDs too." Do you think HDD prices and performance are standing still. There just isn't going to be parity in these competing products any time soon (next 5-8 years i.m.h.o.) So when either side claims a superiority, it seems fundamental to question and attempt to prove the claim. Flash (SSDs) will improve with maturity, without doubt. And inherent qualities in flash will bring improvements to users. But this whole debate has been attended by much hype and the usual caveats should be heeded. Antonio: “NAND prices keep going down and SSDs too.”

Do you think HDD prices and performance are standing still. There just isn’t going to be parity in these competing products any time soon (next 5-8 years i.m.h.o.) So when either side claims a superiority, it seems fundamental to question and attempt to prove the claim. Flash (SSDs) will improve with maturity, without doubt. And inherent qualities in flash will bring improvements to users. But this whole debate has been attended by much hype and the usual caveats should be heeded.

]]> By: antonio http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-196680 antonio Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:32:45 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-196680 hi, I find strange you say ssd is dead. Startup times when loading programs or documents can be very good => they can make you win time and the money you wasted if you work much at your pc/laptop. If they were cheaper they would be preferred absolutely over hdd by the regular users. Many who use the pc to work not in multimedia doesn't care about the capacity. And even the capacity could be not a problem if ssd gets bigger. Everything is going smoothly, and prehistoric spinning hard drives are the ones who are dead. I don't understand why are you hesitant about a new good technology. Most people seems to be excited. May be even samsung in its next offering will aready lower the prices fast, even more han ocz recently did. Am waiting for it. NAND prices keep going down and SSDs too. hi, I find strange you say ssd is dead. Startup times when loading programs or documents can be very good => they can make you win time and the money you wasted if you work much at your pc/laptop. If they were cheaper they would be preferred absolutely over hdd by the regular users. Many who use the pc to work not in multimedia doesn’t care about the capacity. And even the capacity could be not a problem if ssd gets bigger. Everything is going smoothly, and prehistoric spinning hard drives are the ones who are dead. I don’t understand why are you hesitant about a new good technology. Most people seems to be excited. May be even samsung in its next offering will aready lower the prices fast, even more han ocz recently did. Am waiting for it. NAND prices keep going down and SSDs too.

]]> By: thinking sysadmin » Blog Archive » Catch-up Links, 7/9/2008 http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-196599 thinking sysadmin » Blog Archive » Catch-up Links, 7/9/2008 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:47:12 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-196599 [...] to keep you from updating your blog. But on the bright side, I didn’t have to link to the notebook SSDs are dead - no they’re not [...] [...] to keep you from updating your blog. But on the bright side, I didn’t have to link to the notebook SSDs are dead – no they’re not [...]

]]> By: Fazal Majid http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-196578 Fazal Majid Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:19:13 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-196578 I have a MacBook Air with the SSD option. It boots so fast I am considering getting a SSD as the boot drive for my next desktop. I have a MacBook Air with the SSD option. It boots so fast I am considering getting a SSD as the boot drive for my next desktop.

]]> By: Joe Kraska http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-196557 Joe Kraska Tue, 08 Jul 2008 03:39:51 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-196557 I think it might behoove the various readers of Robin's article to go over to the Tom's Hardware original story and read the comments in detail. It seems to me that we're not readily able to discern much here quite yet. Joe I think it might behoove the various readers of Robin’s article to go over to the Tom’s Hardware original story and read the comments in detail. It seems to me that we’re not readily able to discern much here quite yet.

Joe

]]> By: Gayle http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-196542 Gayle Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:37:42 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-196542 Seems odd that the company that was first to the market with MLC SSD's and recently knocked Samsung out of a lucrative Apple contract should have been tested. I think Apple probably ran as many tests as TOM"S. STEC SSD's are superior and it directly relates to their controller technology and testing procedures . Seems odd that the company that was first to the market with MLC SSD’s and recently knocked Samsung out of a lucrative Apple contract should have been tested. I think Apple probably ran as many tests as TOM”S. STEC SSD’s are superior and it directly relates to their controller technology and testing procedures .

]]> By: Wes Felter http://storagemojo.com/2008/07/02/notebook-ssds-are-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-196541 Wes Felter Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:51:01 +0000 http://storagemojo.com/?p=730#comment-196541 A different test with a different result: http://blog.laptopmag.com/web-surfing-test-shows-ssds-better-for-battery-life A different test with a different result:

http://blog.laptopmag.com/web-surfing-test-shows-ssds-better-for-battery-life

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