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		<title>By: Paul Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Clifford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot On !  The brains of IT have always focused on space as it is a far easier metric to use and &quot;bill back&quot;.  The two key areas where real power savings will come is virtualizing the servers, effectively and moving data.

Storage holds the real key as most data centers already understand the benefits server vitualization.  If I utilize real thin provisioning and automated tiered ILM, so that only my active data sits on 15K spindles while the rest of my data sits on 5K SATA, I am talking real  money here.  We all know that 80% of our data is inactive, but how do I sort it out?  

We now have our customers developing a pool of FC disks to handle I/O for the active data, and then large &quot;cans&quot; (1TB SATA) to handle all the inactive data.  The software moves data up and down based on usage - and this is done in 2mb blocks.

The savings are incredible - and simple to implement.

I love technology :)

Paul Clifford
Davenport Group
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot On !  The brains of IT have always focused on space as it is a far easier metric to use and &#8220;bill back&#8221;.  The two key areas where real power savings will come is virtualizing the servers, effectively and moving data.</p>
<p>Storage holds the real key as most data centers already understand the benefits server vitualization.  If I utilize real thin provisioning and automated tiered ILM, so that only my active data sits on 15K spindles while the rest of my data sits on 5K SATA, I am talking real  money here.  We all know that 80% of our data is inactive, but how do I sort it out?  </p>
<p>We now have our customers developing a pool of FC disks to handle I/O for the active data, and then large &#8220;cans&#8221; (1TB SATA) to handle all the inactive data.  The software moves data up and down based on usage &#8211; and this is done in 2mb blocks.</p>
<p>The savings are incredible &#8211; and simple to implement.</p>
<p>I love technology <img src='http://storagemojo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Paul Clifford<br />
Davenport Group<br />
<a href="http://www.davenportgroup.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.davenportgroup.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should small companies care?  Their costs are different, because with a small number of servers, the costs simply aren&#039;t the same - spread the servers throughout the office and use air cooling.  To give a real world example, three or four servers in a 15000 sq ft building (in three locations) doesn&#039;t add appreciably to the electrical or cooling loads.  The air compressor uses a lot more power.

And, yes, I think Robin is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should small companies care?  Their costs are different, because with a small number of servers, the costs simply aren&#8217;t the same &#8211; spread the servers throughout the office and use air cooling.  To give a real world example, three or four servers in a 15000 sq ft building (in three locations) doesn&#8217;t add appreciably to the electrical or cooling loads.  The air compressor uses a lot more power.</p>
<p>And, yes, I think Robin is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: JH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many organizations don&#039;t charge at all because they don&#039;t have the information about inventory, usage and owners.  Sloppy accounting and mangement lead to sloppy data center management.  Don&#039;t assume bad decisions are being made with good data - assume bad decisions are bad because of a complete lack of useful data.  

I for one find it funny that Microsoft is putting out this paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many organizations don&#8217;t charge at all because they don&#8217;t have the information about inventory, usage and owners.  Sloppy accounting and mangement lead to sloppy data center management.  Don&#8217;t assume bad decisions are being made with good data &#8211; assume bad decisions are bad because of a complete lack of useful data.  </p>
<p>I for one find it funny that Microsoft is putting out this paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Denegri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Denegri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dead on, Robin!  As users start targeting the 4x savings you referenced, many in the industry wonder if this won&#039;t cause those users to simply deploy more infrastructure to fill that savings gap, offsetting it completely.  

Thanks for highlighting this very interesting development on StorageMojo, and I&#039;ll be curious to see posts that shed light on just how many plan to price data center services along power rather than square footage metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead on, Robin!  As users start targeting the 4x savings you referenced, many in the industry wonder if this won&#8217;t cause those users to simply deploy more infrastructure to fill that savings gap, offsetting it completely.  </p>
<p>Thanks for highlighting this very interesting development on StorageMojo, and I&#8217;ll be curious to see posts that shed light on just how many plan to price data center services along power rather than square footage metrics.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Jones</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2008/08/07/power-play-power-work/comment-page-1/#comment-197099</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve made this very point to out data centre people that when they are talking about space, they are really talking about power. Out data centre people, being very traditional, talk about space in terms of racks. project X needs Y racks. However, a standard rack is not actually defined in our centres by it&#039;s height. They are actually defined in terms of power consumption - at least in terms of averages. So a 4KW server might physically only occupy 25% of a rack, but it could be a full rack at some centres. Of course in placement terms, there are some parts of the data centre which have better airflow, some individual servers exceed the sites rating for one rack so the actual placements may vary. However, for a given server type we have a mapping to the a standardised rack requirement based on power. In effect the space allocations are based on the power rating of the server (using averages - we don&#039;t measure actgual consumption by an individual server). In effect this is charging back for space requirements by power usage.

For large organisations power usage (and cooling costs) are extremely visible. Not just the electricity bill itself, but the horrendous costs of upgrading data centre space. Most data centres I know have no problem with space (although it&#039;s often expressed that way). What they have a problem with is power and cooling - in many cases, at least in the UK, there are practical limits as to the amount of power that the supply companies are willing to provide, at least withought horrendous costs. 

So this issue of power consumption is a massive issue in companies with large data centres. As for smaller organisations, then they will gradually learn. All the major IT equipment vendors that I know of have power consumption near the top of their issue list. It may only be clearly visible to operators of large data centres, but it will gradually dawn on all companies that the price of powering other IT equipment (PCs, monitors, local servers, comms equipment etc.) is still there, even if it can&#039;t easily be distinguished from office lighting. It&#039;s easy enough to do the mathematics on this. 

There will be legislation though - in the EU there will inevitably be standards on things like standby power consumption for consumer equipment (and cars). However, it&#039;s a bit more difficult to legislate for what the proper power consumption ought to be for a given amount of storage. Frankly the market will eventually drive this - maybe late, but it will. The west is now suffering the consequences of overly cheap power (as it is also suffering the consequences of overly cheap borrowing). There will be a market-driven correction, and it will feed through to engineering priorities on IT equipment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve made this very point to out data centre people that when they are talking about space, they are really talking about power. Out data centre people, being very traditional, talk about space in terms of racks. project X needs Y racks. However, a standard rack is not actually defined in our centres by it&#8217;s height. They are actually defined in terms of power consumption &#8211; at least in terms of averages. So a 4KW server might physically only occupy 25% of a rack, but it could be a full rack at some centres. Of course in placement terms, there are some parts of the data centre which have better airflow, some individual servers exceed the sites rating for one rack so the actual placements may vary. However, for a given server type we have a mapping to the a standardised rack requirement based on power. In effect the space allocations are based on the power rating of the server (using averages &#8211; we don&#8217;t measure actgual consumption by an individual server). In effect this is charging back for space requirements by power usage.</p>
<p>For large organisations power usage (and cooling costs) are extremely visible. Not just the electricity bill itself, but the horrendous costs of upgrading data centre space. Most data centres I know have no problem with space (although it&#8217;s often expressed that way). What they have a problem with is power and cooling &#8211; in many cases, at least in the UK, there are practical limits as to the amount of power that the supply companies are willing to provide, at least withought horrendous costs. </p>
<p>So this issue of power consumption is a massive issue in companies with large data centres. As for smaller organisations, then they will gradually learn. All the major IT equipment vendors that I know of have power consumption near the top of their issue list. It may only be clearly visible to operators of large data centres, but it will gradually dawn on all companies that the price of powering other IT equipment (PCs, monitors, local servers, comms equipment etc.) is still there, even if it can&#8217;t easily be distinguished from office lighting. It&#8217;s easy enough to do the mathematics on this. </p>
<p>There will be legislation though &#8211; in the EU there will inevitably be standards on things like standby power consumption for consumer equipment (and cars). However, it&#8217;s a bit more difficult to legislate for what the proper power consumption ought to be for a given amount of storage. Frankly the market will eventually drive this &#8211; maybe late, but it will. The west is now suffering the consequences of overly cheap power (as it is also suffering the consequences of overly cheap borrowing). There will be a market-driven correction, and it will feed through to engineering priorities on IT equipment.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kraska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kraska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin.

My position is such that I get to see so many vendor roadmaps that sometimes I want to stab my eyes out. Power utilization reductions are on the product roadmaps of every major vendor in computing and storage. One would think that these manufacturers would not make products if they did not think there was demand.

What&#039;s happening at a minimum, in many large companies anyway, is that the folks that want and need servers are finding server room after server room out of either power or cooling budget. This is bringing power and cooling to the eye of engineering, albeit through an indirect route.

The real question should be: with all this &quot;green&quot; going on, will we use less power? I doubt it very much. I think we&#039;ll just squeeze more in there.

Consider virtualization, the IT trend of de jure. Virtual servers spin off like no tomorrow. You fulfill very much more by way of need than you did before, but you spend the same and push that much more in there. To some degree or another, anyway.

Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin.</p>
<p>My position is such that I get to see so many vendor roadmaps that sometimes I want to stab my eyes out. Power utilization reductions are on the product roadmaps of every major vendor in computing and storage. One would think that these manufacturers would not make products if they did not think there was demand.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s happening at a minimum, in many large companies anyway, is that the folks that want and need servers are finding server room after server room out of either power or cooling budget. This is bringing power and cooling to the eye of engineering, albeit through an indirect route.</p>
<p>The real question should be: with all this &#8220;green&#8221; going on, will we use less power? I doubt it very much. I think we&#8217;ll just squeeze more in there.</p>
<p>Consider virtualization, the IT trend of de jure. Virtual servers spin off like no tomorrow. You fulfill very much more by way of need than you did before, but you spend the same and push that much more in there. To some degree or another, anyway.</p>
<p>Joe.</p>
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