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	<title>Comments on: Axxana fixes the speed of light</title>
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		<title>By: Beth Schultz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Editors at Network World think Axxana is worth keeping a close eye on, too.  We&#039;ve named Axxana one of our 10 start-ups to watch for 2009 (http://www.networkworld.com/supp/2009/outlook/010509-startups-to-watch.html)  and feature the company&#039;s black box in a piece on cool flash-based storage products for the enterprise (see http://www.networkworld.com/supp/2009/ndc1/012609-flash-storage.html) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Editors at Network World think Axxana is worth keeping a close eye on, too.  We&#8217;ve named Axxana one of our 10 start-ups to watch for 2009 (<a href="http://www.networkworld.com/supp/2009/outlook/010509-startups-to-watch.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.networkworld.com/supp/2009/outlook/010509-startups-to-watch.html</a>)  and feature the company&#8217;s black box in a piece on cool flash-based storage products for the enterprise (see <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/supp/2009/ndc1/012609-flash-storage.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.networkworld.com/supp/2009/ndc1/012609-flash-storage.html)</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sort of staging has been possible before, but it&#039;s been very expensive. generally you needed a full copy outside of the immediate &quot;blast radius&quot; (charming term) to which you synchronised data synchronously and then asynch from there. If could be done with EMC, Veritas Volume Replicator and no doubt with others too. This was very expensive as it required full copies of data, environmental support and so on.

Using what amounts to an I/O logging system to which you write data synchronously vastly reduces the cost, but that still has to be placed somewhere and with appropriate network communications such that it, and the onward asynchronous copying, is not affected by the disaster. A wide enough problem could affect all terrestrial communications to I guess that satellite might be the ultimate fallback.

In the case of the vast majority of our systems we elect for asynchronous replication on cost and performance grounds and work on the basis that the resulting inconsistancies can be sorted out by manual and exeception processes (and this is truly for disaster scenarious - not as an HA approach). However, that&#039;s not an option with many safety or regulatory related systems. For instance, losing a few bank transactions isn&#039;t an option nor would losing critical health care data.

If this sort of approach works, and it gets rid of the logical issues of recovering from inconsistencies caused by asynchronous replication then it could be very valuable indeed. But DR is an incredibly difficult thing to get right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of staging has been possible before, but it&#8217;s been very expensive. generally you needed a full copy outside of the immediate &#8220;blast radius&#8221; (charming term) to which you synchronised data synchronously and then asynch from there. If could be done with EMC, Veritas Volume Replicator and no doubt with others too. This was very expensive as it required full copies of data, environmental support and so on.</p>
<p>Using what amounts to an I/O logging system to which you write data synchronously vastly reduces the cost, but that still has to be placed somewhere and with appropriate network communications such that it, and the onward asynchronous copying, is not affected by the disaster. A wide enough problem could affect all terrestrial communications to I guess that satellite might be the ultimate fallback.</p>
<p>In the case of the vast majority of our systems we elect for asynchronous replication on cost and performance grounds and work on the basis that the resulting inconsistancies can be sorted out by manual and exeception processes (and this is truly for disaster scenarious &#8211; not as an HA approach). However, that&#8217;s not an option with many safety or regulatory related systems. For instance, losing a few bank transactions isn&#8217;t an option nor would losing critical health care data.</p>
<p>If this sort of approach works, and it gets rid of the logical issues of recovering from inconsistencies caused by asynchronous replication then it could be very valuable indeed. But DR is an incredibly difficult thing to get right.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin, thanks for this; it certainly looks very cool, it&#039;d fix some major headaches with having a big expanse of sea between our primary data-centres.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin, thanks for this; it certainly looks very cool, it&#8217;d fix some major headaches with having a big expanse of sea between our primary data-centres.</p>
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		<title>By: David Vellante</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Vellante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin-- Nice piece on Axxana. Rumor has it that Andy Grove came out of retirement to solve that speed of light problem but even he couldn&#039;t crack it! I&#039;d add to your scenarios a midrange shop (let&#039;s say a mid-sized bank) that can&#039;t afford to go high end synchronous so they settle for Asynch and risk some exposure. This allows them to turn Asynch to near zero data loss for a fraction of the cost of synch...I&#039;m sure there are others. -Cheers - Dave from Wikibon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin&#8211; Nice piece on Axxana. Rumor has it that Andy Grove came out of retirement to solve that speed of light problem but even he couldn&#8217;t crack it! I&#8217;d add to your scenarios a midrange shop (let&#8217;s say a mid-sized bank) that can&#8217;t afford to go high end synchronous so they settle for Asynch and risk some exposure. This allows them to turn Asynch to near zero data loss for a fraction of the cost of synch&#8230;I&#8217;m sure there are others. -Cheers &#8211; Dave from Wikibon.</p>
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