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	<title>Comments on: Vint Cerf on bit rot in Windows 3000 &#8211; lol</title>
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	<description>Data storage info &#38; analysis</description>
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		<title>By: McCloud</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2009/03/09/vint-cerf-on-bit-rot-in-windows-3000-lol/comment-page-1/#comment-199478</link>
		<dc:creator>McCloud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vint needs original material. Preservation research has been around for quite some time in the global information management community.  

The storage industry hopped on the bandwagon several years ago.  I recall IBM&#039;s Universal Virtual Computer (UVC) concept developed by Ray Lorie and STK&#039;s &quot;Century Project&quot;. I believe UVC research may be ongoing, but the STK project is long dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vint needs original material. Preservation research has been around for quite some time in the global information management community.  </p>
<p>The storage industry hopped on the bandwagon several years ago.  I recall IBM&#8217;s Universal Virtual Computer (UVC) concept developed by Ray Lorie and STK&#8217;s &#8220;Century Project&#8221;. I believe UVC research may be ongoing, but the STK project is long dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandro Dellavedova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alessandro Dellavedova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warning: this is a somewhat sarcastic post :)

We&#039;re not in the year 3000 but it looks like we&#039;ve already started to &quot;forget&quot; about how to do things, maybe the info were stored in an old AtariWriter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AtariWriter) document ?

Too bad that there was NO PowerPoint at that time ;-)

Excerpt from the news:
&quot;The US and the UK are trying to refurbish the aging W76 warheads that tip Trident missiles to prolong their life and ensure they are safe and reliable but plans have been put on hold because US scientists have forgotten how to manufacture a mysterious but very hazardous component of the warhead codenamed Fogbank. &#039;NNSA had lost knowledge of how to manufacture the material because it had kept few records of the process when the material was made in the 1980s, and almost all staff with expertise on production had retired or left the agency,&#039; says the report by a US congressional committee. Fogbank is thought by some weapons experts to be a foam used between the fission and fusion stages of the thermonuclear bomb on the Trident Missile and US officials say that manufacturing Fogbank requires a solvent cleaning agent which is &#039;extremely flammable&#039; and &#039;explosive,&#039; and that the process involves dealing with &#039;toxic materials&#039; hazardous to workers. &#039;This is like James Bond destroying his instructions as soon as he has read them,&#039; says John Ainslie, the co-ordinator of the Scottish Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, adding that &#039;perhaps the plans for making Fogbank were so secret that no copies were kept.&#039; Thomas D&#039;Agostino, administrator or the US National Nuclear Security Administration, told a congressional committee that the administration was spending &#039;a lot of money&#039; trying to make &#039;Fogbank&#039; at Y-12, but &#039;we&#039;re not out of the woods yet.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warning: this is a somewhat sarcastic post <img src='http://storagemojo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We&#8217;re not in the year 3000 but it looks like we&#8217;ve already started to &#8220;forget&#8221; about how to do things, maybe the info were stored in an old AtariWriter (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AtariWriter" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AtariWriter</a>) document ?</p>
<p>Too bad that there was NO PowerPoint at that time <img src='http://storagemojo.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Excerpt from the news:<br />
&#8220;The US and the UK are trying to refurbish the aging W76 warheads that tip Trident missiles to prolong their life and ensure they are safe and reliable but plans have been put on hold because US scientists have forgotten how to manufacture a mysterious but very hazardous component of the warhead codenamed Fogbank. &#8216;NNSA had lost knowledge of how to manufacture the material because it had kept few records of the process when the material was made in the 1980s, and almost all staff with expertise on production had retired or left the agency,&#8217; says the report by a US congressional committee. Fogbank is thought by some weapons experts to be a foam used between the fission and fusion stages of the thermonuclear bomb on the Trident Missile and US officials say that manufacturing Fogbank requires a solvent cleaning agent which is &#8216;extremely flammable&#8217; and &#8216;explosive,&#8217; and that the process involves dealing with &#8216;toxic materials&#8217; hazardous to workers. &#8216;This is like James Bond destroying his instructions as soon as he has read them,&#8217; says John Ainslie, the co-ordinator of the Scottish Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, adding that &#8216;perhaps the plans for making Fogbank were so secret that no copies were kept.&#8217; Thomas D&#8217;Agostino, administrator or the US National Nuclear Security Administration, told a congressional committee that the administration was spending &#8216;a lot of money&#8217; trying to make &#8216;Fogbank&#8217; at Y-12, but &#8216;we&#8217;re not out of the woods yet.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kristoffer Sheather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristoffer Sheather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the human race is still here in the year 3000 to witness such issues then I&#039;ll be amazed.

Kris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the human race is still here in the year 3000 to witness such issues then I&#8217;ll be amazed.</p>
<p>Kris</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This problem of obsolete data formats has an analogy with lost languages. Even now, there are some which cannot be decoded. 

I suspect that the rate at which we are now inventing new digital protocls, data formats, architectures and programming languages far, far exceeds that of human languages through the whole of history. A veritable digital tower of babel (or should that be a tower of babbage?).

Future digital archeologists are going to have a tough time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This problem of obsolete data formats has an analogy with lost languages. Even now, there are some which cannot be decoded. </p>
<p>I suspect that the rate at which we are now inventing new digital protocls, data formats, architectures and programming languages far, far exceeds that of human languages through the whole of history. A veritable digital tower of babel (or should that be a tower of babbage?).</p>
<p>Future digital archeologists are going to have a tough time.</p>
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		<title>By: the storage anarchist</title>
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		<dc:creator>the storage anarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been thought of, so this isn&#039;t original. But the &quot;simple&quot; answer is for Google to also store Virtual Machines for each major application. Maintaining a &quot;virtual infrastructure&quot; that can run multiple generations of Virtual Machines is reasonable; one could even envision a future that can virtualize multiple different VMs, such that you might run PPT 2K7 in a VMware 3.4 VM on top of a 2050-era Intel VM inside of a circa 2100-era VM, etc. etc. etc.

Not saying it&#039;s simple looking forward, but I&#039;ll bet it turns out not to be as hard in the future as we imagine today.

B^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been thought of, so this isn&#8217;t original. But the &#8220;simple&#8221; answer is for Google to also store Virtual Machines for each major application. Maintaining a &#8220;virtual infrastructure&#8221; that can run multiple generations of Virtual Machines is reasonable; one could even envision a future that can virtualize multiple different VMs, such that you might run PPT 2K7 in a VMware 3.4 VM on top of a 2050-era Intel VM inside of a circa 2100-era VM, etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>Not saying it&#8217;s simple looking forward, but I&#8217;ll bet it turns out not to be as hard in the future as we imagine today.</p>
<p>B^)</p>
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