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		<title>By: jacky</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloud storage will become more and more widely adopted. At this time, there are still a few things that limit its adoption:
(1)  Speed. The cloud storage is still much slower;
(2) Security and ownership: A lot of people are concerned about security and control when the data is stored in another company&#039;s facility;
(3) Change to existing applications. Moving to cloud storage also means moving applications to the cloud computing, which is a big change;
(4) Inflexibility in new or customized features / services. Cloud storage is offered by a service provider. If you need to customize the service, it is up to the service provider.

www.DriveHQ.com offers a better cloud service that can solve the above problems. You can backup your files to the cloud with data encryption; sync the cloud storage with your local storage; work on your local storage or cached storage without any performance impact;  and you have full flexibility in features and you can continue using your existing software. In short, DriveHQ offers more than just storage; it also offers cloud services that can replace your local file server, ftp server, email server and backup system. For more info, please visit: http://www.drivehq.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloud storage will become more and more widely adopted. At this time, there are still a few things that limit its adoption:<br />
(1)  Speed. The cloud storage is still much slower;<br />
(2) Security and ownership: A lot of people are concerned about security and control when the data is stored in another company&#8217;s facility;<br />
(3) Change to existing applications. Moving to cloud storage also means moving applications to the cloud computing, which is a big change;<br />
(4) Inflexibility in new or customized features / services. Cloud storage is offered by a service provider. If you need to customize the service, it is up to the service provider.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.DriveHQ.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.DriveHQ.com</a> offers a better cloud service that can solve the above problems. You can backup your files to the cloud with data encryption; sync the cloud storage with your local storage; work on your local storage or cached storage without any performance impact;  and you have full flexibility in features and you can continue using your existing software. In short, DriveHQ offers more than just storage; it also offers cloud services that can replace your local file server, ftp server, email server and backup system. For more info, please visit: <a href="http://www.drivehq.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.drivehq.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Major Trends at Storage Visions 2010 at Cleversafe Developer Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Major Trends at Storage Visions 2010 at Cleversafe Developer Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The third trend is around the reality of cloud storage – and this is what got me really excited. Come to think of it, unlike Internet or Web2.0 based applications, cloud storage is one of the services for which end consumers, small, medium and large enterprises are actually spending money. There were a lot of numbers thrown around during the conference, but according to iSuppli, the cloud storage market will triple in three years from $1.6B in 2009 to about $5B in 2013. Amazon is the leader in providing storage services today, but when the telco operators such as AT&amp;T, Verizon, Comcast, Savvis and others enter the cloud storage space, this will be an exciting space to be in. There are a multitude of vendors that are emerging in this space. EMC Atmos and Cleversafe are emerging as end to end cloud storage platform vendors. Parascale and Mezeo are emerging as software only vendors. I participated in a panel discussion on this topic along with IBM, Bycast and Asankya. The panel was hosted by Robin Harris. Robin has published his take on his storagemojo blog: http://storagemojo.com/2010/01/13/cloud-at-storage-visions-2010 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The third trend is around the reality of cloud storage – and this is what got me really excited. Come to think of it, unlike Internet or Web2.0 based applications, cloud storage is one of the services for which end consumers, small, medium and large enterprises are actually spending money. There were a lot of numbers thrown around during the conference, but according to iSuppli, the cloud storage market will triple in three years from $1.6B in 2009 to about $5B in 2013. Amazon is the leader in providing storage services today, but when the telco operators such as AT&amp;T, Verizon, Comcast, Savvis and others enter the cloud storage space, this will be an exciting space to be in. There are a multitude of vendors that are emerging in this space. EMC Atmos and Cleversafe are emerging as end to end cloud storage platform vendors. Parascale and Mezeo are emerging as software only vendors. I participated in a panel discussion on this topic along with IBM, Bycast and Asankya. The panel was hosted by Robin Harris. Robin has published his take on his storagemojo blog: <a href="http://storagemojo.com/2010/01/13/cloud-at-storage-visions-2010" rel="nofollow">http://storagemojo.com/2010/01/13/cloud-at-storage-visions-2010</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kraska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kraska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look around the net, you will find articles that tested Cleversafe. The reviews said: *slow*.

In other news, I do strategic storage assessment for my company. When deploying file piles (NAS on Tier 2-) at a large scale (1PB increment), you have to be in the $1/GB *usable* to even interest me in reading the material.

Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look around the net, you will find articles that tested Cleversafe. The reviews said: *slow*.</p>
<p>In other news, I do strategic storage assessment for my company. When deploying file piles (NAS on Tier 2-) at a large scale (1PB increment), you have to be in the $1/GB *usable* to even interest me in reading the material.</p>
<p>Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
		<link>http://storagemojo.com/2010/01/13/cloud-at-storage-visions-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-207589</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Cleversoft. . .I was excited until I visited their webpage. It&#039;s high on fluff and low on details, which isn&#039;t too surprising I guess. But it looks like you need one &quot;Slicestor&quot; per storage node. How much do they charge for said object? how much power does it use? In one case study they have &quot;3TB raw&quot; per Slicestor. Seriously? 3TB per appliance? How can that possibly be economical? 

Elsewhere they make a statement that &quot;$2.45/GB&quot; is a &quot;competetive&quot; price for storage. In what decade? If their products are priced with that in mind, I have zero interest in them.

Finally - performance. There&#039;s zero information on what you can expect from each Slicestor, or a single Accesser or Manager. Is either the Manager or the Accesser a bottleneck? How does the data flow? How does each Slicestor connect to the storage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Cleversoft. . .I was excited until I visited their webpage. It&#8217;s high on fluff and low on details, which isn&#8217;t too surprising I guess. But it looks like you need one &#8220;Slicestor&#8221; per storage node. How much do they charge for said object? how much power does it use? In one case study they have &#8220;3TB raw&#8221; per Slicestor. Seriously? 3TB per appliance? How can that possibly be economical? </p>
<p>Elsewhere they make a statement that &#8220;$2.45/GB&#8221; is a &#8220;competetive&#8221; price for storage. In what decade? If their products are priced with that in mind, I have zero interest in them.</p>
<p>Finally &#8211; performance. There&#8217;s zero information on what you can expect from each Slicestor, or a single Accesser or Manager. Is either the Manager or the Accesser a bottleneck? How does the data flow? How does each Slicestor connect to the storage?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The phone companies have smart cores, the internets don&#039;t.  They put the smarts on the edge.  Seems to me the internets do pretty well.  And no mumbo jumbo &quot;fixes&quot; the speed of light in a fiber (2.1 x 10^8 m/s).  Doesn&#039;t matter if the MJ comes from Georgia Tech, UCSD, Stanford or Berkeley.  Still enjoying your posts Robin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phone companies have smart cores, the internets don&#8217;t.  They put the smarts on the edge.  Seems to me the internets do pretty well.  And no mumbo jumbo &#8220;fixes&#8221; the speed of light in a fiber (2.1 x 10^8 m/s).  Doesn&#8217;t matter if the MJ comes from Georgia Tech, UCSD, Stanford or Berkeley.  Still enjoying your posts Robin.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By 2020 you can expect that a 1,000 disk storage farm will lose over 200 GB of data annually – even with mirrored RAID 6. (RAID 16? The mind boggles). &quot;

Today some of us know large DMX3/DMX4 consumers with more than 1000 disks in their frames and they certainly aren&#039;t losing any data annually.  But there is this &quot;future&quot; scare.

I suppose it would have been impolite to shoot a hand up and ask the
speaker what he/she was talking about and challenge?
For instance, what about adoption of 4K sectors and improved ECC.

http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3691

From a numbers perspective, Western Digital estimates that the use of 4K sectors will give them an immediate 7%-11% increase in format efficiency. ECC burst error correction stands to improve by 50%, and the overall error rate capability improves by 2 orders of magnitude.

&quot;even with mirrored RAID6&quot;

Doubt it.  Think about how many unreadable AND uncorrectable blocks that would mean.  Maybe if you couldn&#039;t even write to them in the first place!  Ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By 2020 you can expect that a 1,000 disk storage farm will lose over 200 GB of data annually – even with mirrored RAID 6. (RAID 16? The mind boggles). &#8221;</p>
<p>Today some of us know large DMX3/DMX4 consumers with more than 1000 disks in their frames and they certainly aren&#8217;t losing any data annually.  But there is this &#8220;future&#8221; scare.</p>
<p>I suppose it would have been impolite to shoot a hand up and ask the<br />
speaker what he/she was talking about and challenge?<br />
For instance, what about adoption of 4K sectors and improved ECC.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3691" rel="nofollow">http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3691</a></p>
<p>From a numbers perspective, Western Digital estimates that the use of 4K sectors will give them an immediate 7%-11% increase in format efficiency. ECC burst error correction stands to improve by 50%, and the overall error rate capability improves by 2 orders of magnitude.</p>
<p>&#8220;even with mirrored RAID6&#8243;</p>
<p>Doubt it.  Think about how many unreadable AND uncorrectable blocks that would mean.  Maybe if you couldn&#8217;t even write to them in the first place!  Ha.</p>
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